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Sarri
by stanic_worship, 12/02, 07:50

It's almost as if all this has been coming for months...

http://rivalsfootball.net/chelsea/index.php?id=194685

Sarri
by CLL_JT26, 12/02, 09:07 @ stanic_worship

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I get that he wants to play his football etc, but we simply don't have the players do it.

So fkin change it, do whatever's best to suit the squad you've got, to get the best out of them and get results. Once he's had the summer to bring a few players in, (and get rid of a few) then try and play "Sarriball"

He's stuborness and blind faith in his idea of football is going to be his downfall.

Have we played anything different to 4-3-3 at any point this season? Even for a minute? I don't think so.

Sarri
by Famous, 12/02, 09:46 @ CLL_JT26

I’ve said from day one, if the club did their research then they would have known exactly what they’d be getting. If you want a tactical pragmatist in charge, don’t sack Conte.
Sarri would rather get sacked doing something he believes will bring long term success, than compromise, I think that’s clear and the club should have known that. I’d rather them replace him than ask him to do the opposite of what got him the job in the first place.

Sarri
by Famous, 12/02, 09:49 @ stanic_worship

Just reading through my post on that thread and I think what I’ve said is still applicable. I was saying much the same in the summer too.
This was never going to be about short term results (albeit we are still in with a shout of achieving the pre-season goals of top four/silverware)

http://rivalsfootball.net/chelsea/index.php?id=194686

Sarri
by stanic_worship, 12/02, 12:07 @ Famous

It's not just the results though is it - We're regressing, rapidly.

You'd expect some signs of progress, but there are none with him. Quite the contrary.

Sarri
by Famous, 12/02, 12:42 @ stanic_worship

No but then if he were to stay three years (suspend disbelief please :-D ) and you looked at the ups and downs over that time, you would expect that current regression to end and things to get better again, especially as you’d expect more change in playing personnel in that time.
The club have obviously never done that under Roman, they’ve looked at short term form and trends and made decisions based on that.
Sometimes you have to go back before you can go forward. City being an example.
It all depends if the club are committed to him implementing what he’s trying to, if they have any doubts about it at all they might as well call it a day now, but then I think still being in the race for top four and in all the Cups, with no obvious replacement, is what they’re looking at.

Sarri
by OSGOODWASGOOD, 12/02, 19:43 @ Famous

Arsenal, they gave Wenger loads of time...

Sarri
by Famous, 12/02, 20:53 @ OSGOODWASGOOD

Yeah and what did he ever achieve there...?

Sarri
by OSGOODWASGOOD, 12/02, 21:16 @ Famous

Not a lot, the point being it wasn’t working there, but they kept him forever and ever, even though everybody knew they should have sacked him years ago. He played the same style, with the same type of player, which is what Sarri will do, if he is allowed to.

Sarri
by Famous, 12/02, 22:02 @ OSGOODWASGOOD

Wenger didn’t achieve a lot at Arsenal?

Anyway, I think there’s a middle ground between someone getting 9 months in charge and staying for 22 years, so the comparison is irrelevant.

Football is so short-term and knee-jerk nowadays, there’ll be people on phone-ins tonight who were suggesting Solksjaer should get a statue yesterday and calling for his sacking tonight

Sarri
by OSGOODWASGOOD, 12/02, 22:13 @ Famous

David Moyes only had 10 months in charge of Utd.
Mourinho came in, he won the Europa and League cups, but they realised that his style/philosophy, call it what you want, was not going to get them challenging for the league title, so they got rid of him, while there was still time left to improve on the season.
There is nothing wrong with being able to tell, after just a few months, that his style/philosophy is not working, and will not work even if he is here for the next three seasons.

Sarri
by Famous, 12/02, 22:21 @ OSGOODWASGOOD

Who are you referring to, Moyes or Mourinho?
Nobody knows what’s going to happen, you can make predictions based on the evidence available but you still don’t actually know the future until it plays out.

I appreciate for those who never wanted the change in philosophy in the first place that it’s easier to want to stop it in its tracks but presumably the club wanted it, given they appointed him in the first place, so to abandon it without giving him and it the best possible chance to succeed would be yet another failure to add into their extensive catalogue of them.

Sarri
by OSGOODWASGOOD, 13/02, 00:13 @ Famous

Hopefully they will see the error of their ways, sooner rather than later.
Zidane is available...

Sarri
by Famous, 13/02, 07:03 @ OSGOODWASGOOD

Zidane’s out of work, not sure that means he’d be available to us.

My point is, I’d rather wait and see if someone does actually fail before I slaughter them for failing. Even if I think they will fail, I’m not going to judge someone’s whole season based on predictions made before things have completely played out.
We’ve had multiple Champions League winners in charge here and the only two who got us to that Final were a bloke who’d only managed MK Dons & West Brom before and another who’s since relegated West Ham & Pompey. We can make educated predictions about football but we’re often wrong.

I think the club should wait until the end of the season to see if we’re in the top four and have more silverware in the cabinet, before making any decisions. If we were mid-table and out of the Cups instead of one point off 4th and still in all three of them, then I think he’d be gone already. He’s been written off so many times this season and the team’s usually responded by getting a result.

Sarri
by OSGOODWASGOOD, 13/02, 07:16 @ Famous

Why can’t you see, we are only in the position we are because it took teams too long to work how to play the system Sarri uses. Have a look at our results since we played Tottenham in the league. The cups are immaterial because weakened sides are played until the latter stages. It is the league results that are important.
Teams always tried getting behind us down the wings and getting crosses in because we were always so tight and compact in the middle of the pitch, defensively, now teams just go straight through the middle of us. That is a serious issue, that needs addressing, but because he won’t change, it won’t be.

Sarri
by Famous, 13/02, 08:08 @ OSGOODWASGOOD

The Cups might be immaterial to you but I’d rather win all three of them and finish 17th than just finish in the top four.

Who said what I can and can’t see? I’m not the manager here and I’ve said before that I would manage the team differently, but you and I aren’t professional football managers and as Pep said the other day, if it was as simple as people arrogantly often suggest it is, then give it a go and see if you can work your way up from nothing the same way Sarri has.

Sarri is here because the club liked the way his teams play and, rightly or wrongly, his way of getting us through this period will be to work on getting the players he’s got to execute his system better.

You’re fully entitled to the opinion that he’ll fail with that line of thinking, and I’m not suggesting he won’t but in the meantime, I’m not going to slag him off or judge him before the season has even fully panned out, or the point in which all our goals are no longer achievable.

Sarri
by OSGOODWASGOOD, 13/02, 09:04 @ Famous

But he keeps playing the same players, in the same positions!!!!
He makes the same substitutions!!!!

Sarri
by Famous, 13/02, 10:16 @ OSGOODWASGOOD

That’s not strictly true but either way, I’m sure the idea behind picking many players regularly is that he works on it all week in training with those players

Sarri
by Walter @, 12/02, 18:07 @ stanic_worship

Interesting points made by a bloke called Matteo Bonnetti on his Twitter