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Sacked by the BBC

Things are starting to turn for the better.

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Pity they didn't have the cojones with Savile years ago but that would have involved senior government officials.

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That's his career over.

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Talk Sport will have him soon enough.

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:-D

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I used to really like him and his shows, even though he was always anti-Chelsea, but Twitter has shown me what a cnut he actually is.

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606 was okay but I find him very boring now.

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I think Danny Kelly was the best one out of the two, when they used to be on together. Think he made Baker look better than he is/was.

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Twitter sounds like it's populated entirely by cunts to be fair.

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It really is. Even I can’t stomach it most of the time :-D

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:-D

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Just seen what he’s been sacked for.
I might think he’s a bit of a twat but he’s very unlucky there. People always jumping to the worst conclusion it seems.
The Beeb obviously been waiting for an excuse to get rid of him again [v]

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If you know the Duchess has black in her family then I see it as racist or very very naive. If he had no idea then very unlucky. because it takes away the racist element.

I struggle to see the need for a chimp if it's not racist tbh. Perhaps I'm missing something.

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That is what is currently missing, if it isn’t racist, then what is the joke? Also no way Baker doesn’t know she is mixed race. No need to be a royalist to know that.

I know society can be over sensitive at times, but just try and imagine, say you are the baby’s black grandmother who is currently in the country.

‘There you go lady, a man on twitter has just portrayed your grandson as a monkey”

Yes criticising royalty for their privileges etc is fair enough, but whatever else Baker is, he’s not stupid, he must have known what the underlying connotations are.

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Right beside that mate.

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Agreed, not sure he can have any complaints.

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I think some people are so keen to seek offence that they don’t even think for one second it was meant in a way to compare babies to monkeys (calling kids little monkeys is quite common as far as I’m aware) and a satire on the royal family not being real people, which is a comedy trope.

I didn’t grow up watching the PG Tips adverts and thinking they were meant to be impersonating black people in particular, for example.

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I say all this as no fan of Baker (I didn’t even know how big a story this was when I first commented on this thread) but having seen this as well, how can the Beeb justify sacking him and giving airtime to this bloke again?
https://twitter.com/matthew_who/status/1126428696993308672?s=21

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It's a very good question as to why Farage gets so much BBC airtime. Sometimes all is not what it appears to be.

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Don’t see how the PG tips monkeys are relevant, they weren’t being used to portray black people. It’s not the picture that is racist it is the context in which it is being used.

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How do we know that? They were being used to represent human beings, I doubt most normal people even thought about the race of the people they were portraying because it’s irrelevant.
And he’s explained he wasn’t thinking about the fact the baby’s mum is mixed race when he posted it, so do we accept his explanation and move on or are we as a public just going to assume the worst in everyone no matter what? Sad state of affairs if so

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You’re right, because of the context, the analogy of the PG Tips monkeys is irrelevant. Here he has portrayed a person who he knows has black heritage as a monkey, and his apology didn’t come across as sincere but rather an attempt at deflection. You can believe whatever you want, he should have known better, it’s not that he thought “I’m going to post something racist”, but that he missed any inherent racism when it is obviously there.

Just imagine yourself in the place of a person with black heritage and someone portrays your child as a monkey and says “ I didn’t mean anything by it, just a bit of a joke, cos’ I’m not racist you see”

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Maybe he hadn’t heard black people being referred to as monkeys by racists for so long that he didn’t even put two and two together and it didn’t cross his mind that there are people out there who have that mindset in this day and age.

I remember the furore about a black child model wearing a t shirt saying ‘Little Monkey’ and thinking that the boy’s parents must have been fine with it and not even thinking about the racial connotations of a slur that’s been out of use in civilised life for decades, for it to have been published in the first place.

It’s just sad to me that people’s default reaction is thinking the worst of everyone at all times. It’s sad to go through life always seeking out and calling out offence that was never intended in the first place.

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Seeing a black person referred to as a monkey and seeing a possible racial slur hardly falls under the “thinking the worse at all times” category.

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Depends on the context.
By being sacked, they’re not even hinting it’s a possible slur, they’re making a judgement and an assumption that they’re in no position to. The same way people accused that Chelsea fan of saying something to Sterling that he’s since been cleared of saying, yet his whole life is ruined because of an assumption that people chose to jump to

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But that was an assumption, Baker put up a picture where he portrayed a child of black ancestry as a monkey. He actually did that.

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He’s a twat but he’s not stupid, I’m certain if he meant a racial slur by it, he wouldn’t have posted in on Twitter.
It’s all about intent for me, as I say unless I see malicious intent there and he explains himself (as he has) then I don’t see why he should be punished by a corporation who spend our licence money on continually allowing a genuinely dangerous fascist onto their flagship programmes to spout his hate and bile. Priorities all wrong IMHO

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And let’s not forget that Prince Harry himself actually once dressed up as a Nazi!

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I don’t know whether the punishment is too much or not, I don’t really have an opinion on what should have happened to him, but to me it’s clear, I cannot believe he didn’t know two important things, that it was Harry and Meghan who had the baby and that Meghan is mixed race. Knowing these two things he posted a picture portraying a baby with black ancestry as a monkey, I get he is unlikely to have knowingly meant a racial slur, but if he can’t see in this day and age how wrong that is then at the very least he needs to be educated.

I know Sugar did something last year, and that was wrong, and I remember now about Prince Harry and the nazi thing, and that is also very wrong, as is giving a platform to racists on other shows. I am not defending any of that nor asking for a public execution of Danny Baker.

If you were an HR manager and a middle aged white man in your company did what Danny Baker did you couldn’t just laugh it off as a joke, there would have to be consequences, at the very least you would have to get the person involved to genuinely reflect on what underlying character trait makes him not realise that implying a person of colour is a monkey, whatever the intent, is wrong.

Monkeys in human clothes are not in themselves racist, and people being accused of racism with no proof is regrettable, but it in no way defends what Baker did.

When Meghan’s mother goes back to the US she will tell other black people how in England that a man who she had almost definitely never heard of portrayed her grandson as a monkey on twitter and how many British people are actually defending him and say “Oh it’s just a joke”

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I take it you’ve not actually read any of his responses and comments since, because he has said he can obviously see how it’s wrong if you’re looking at it with different eyes but that wasn’t the angle he was looking at it from when he posted it, I don’t really see why that’s so hard to understand and accept.

I haven’t listened to him for years but people have have pointed out that for years he has had regular items on his show about chimps dressed as humans, particularly posh looking ones. He doesn’t have regular items about how he thinks black people look like monkeys. He also has regular pops at the Royal Family, upper classes and the media circus that surrounds them. Is it that hard to give him the benefit of the doubt as to where he (mistakenly) saw the comedy lie in this Tweet? Regardless of how unfunny and ill-judged it actually was.

If all Meghan Markle’s mum can take away from visiting her Duchess daughter who lives in a Palace and has just given birth to a Prince, is that a prat off Pets Wins Prizes and the Daz ads made a shit, ill-judged joke on Twitter, which he’s since admitted was a silly thing to do and apologised for not being more switched-on and sensitive about how it could have been misconstrued before putting it to the world, then the human race really has gone mad and lost any remaining sense of perspective.

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God help us when Stan Collymore is the voice of reason.
It is possible to acknowledge that the Tweet was stupid but not believe it was posted with any racist or hurtful intent behind it

https://twitter.com/stancollymore/status/1126644514951712768?s=21

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Context
https://youtu.be/BxT_pjB_TWM

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Yup.

Agreed.

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Unlucky and naive of him, I think.

Doesn’t help that it’s not a particularly funny joke, I’m sure.

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Odious twat

(Baker, not you.).

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He's a hit of an entitled and arrogant twat (as are most people in his position), but I genuinely don't think he did anything more than try and be provocative about the royal family, rather than doing something that's racist. I also agree that someone in his position as an experienced broadcaster of many years should have seen the obvious inference.

But anyway, just reflects the times we're in I guess (and the funniest thing was the news stories not showing the actual chimp and cropping it out... I mean, WTF!?).

Anyway, fk him, the Millwall cnut. :-D

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